Comments on: What is or isn't a project? https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-is-or-isnt-a-project David Allen's GTD® Methodology Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:03:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Steve https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-125859 Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:03:17 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-125859 In reply to Peter Scott.

I would agree with that, Peter. A next action is precisely that – a single indivisible item.

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By: T. Defarge https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1781 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:26:31 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1781 I’m having similar problems with implementation. As an academic scientist in biosciences, I am accustomed to breaking “projects” down into publishable units. However, one publication is easily several years in the making. Obviously, there are smaller projects within one publication: generate the data, write the paper, react to the reviews, etc. But within “generate the data” there are dozens more projects: clone a gene, localize a protein…. Within each of these, there are even more sub-projects, each with an obvious successful outcome: harvest RNA, prepare cDNA, amplify the gene, ligate it into a vector, transform the vector, blah, blah, science, blah. Even these steps aren’t yet actionable items; for example, order to even think about harvesting RNA, I have to grow the tissue. Starting the culture is an action item, but there are so many possible project levels above it that I become woozy just considering where my project begins an ends. I am unsure how to begin organizing projects, and I’m concerned that if I did know, I would spend more time organizing than actually doing.

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By: Farid https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1780 Tue, 05 Jan 2010 07:55:59 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1780 Its would be good idea to try to implement some type of Earn Value or Scrum Methods into your programing strategy. If you have an iPhone try using our App call TA Projects. This can modify your task completion, add task, and delete them can get your Project Performance in Real Time.

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By: Luke https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1779 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 15:55:20 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1779 I’m also a computer programmer/analyst. I struggled with this issue in the past and have some relevant experience that might help.

I suggest that you track the largest outcome that you can capture as a project on your Projects list and track the sub-projects in your project support materials. For example, “R&D content management system” (a “look-into” project–you don’t know if you will create an in-house solution or leverage an existing cloud service), “Implement content management system” (once you’ve completed the R&D and chosen a direction) or “Finalize R12345” (an example of a project release number in my company) would go on a Projects list. Intermediate milestones or “stories” (if you’re using Agile) would be tracked in support materials (project plans, product backlogs, etc). Review these as often as needed to generate new next actions and prevent things from falling through the cracks.

Another tip that might help you is to view your next actions as bookmarks for your projects. They represent what you need to do to get moving on a project once again. You can choose a next action, do it, immediately define the next one, do it, and repeat that process all day long. But when you switch to something else capture a bookmark reminder for yourself and get it into the inbox. If you forget to set a bookmark for yourself, the weekly review is your safety net.

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By: Peter Scott https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1778 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 03:23:47 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1778 Hmm. I’ve always thought of a Next Action as being “atomic”, i.e., indivisible. It might take more than a few minutes, but once you started, it would end up being completely finished. Your pegging their range up to 20 hours makes me wonder.

The bane of my next actions are the ones that only get half done, which is why I strive to make sure that I don’t create any such actions. For instance, I created an action to caulk the gaps that have opened in our siding. But really, it’s two actions: to caulk the gaps I can reach, and a larger and longer term action to get a contractor with a huge ladder to reach the rest.

Many compound actions break down like this and cause much trouble if I don’t recognize their dual nature.

Anyway, do you consider Next Actions to be “atomic” as I have described?

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By: Valerie Coffman https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1777 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:03:16 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1777 To the original poster: I also write software and I know just what you mean. Some of my “next actions” have taken a year or more. My rule is, if I can break it down into clearly defined, predictable steps, I put it into my projects list and I put the next action into the appropriate context lists. But sometimes, as in the case of “fix the bug in …”, that just doesn’t work because you can’t define the next action so easily, or as I’ve found, each next action depends on the result of the last (diagnose the source of the bug, find a solution, implement it, test it, repeat). Since it’s impossible to predict how long each step will take, it doesn’t make sense to keep interrupting work to update the next action list. For tasks like these, I just go ahead and put “fix the bug in …” on my next action list, and I work at it until it’s done. For complex problems, I keep both paper folders of scribbles and electronic files of output to help me keep track of where I was when I left off. I suppose those are akin to project support material. Then, if I’m not 100% sure the bugs are all worked out of a component, but I can’t produce any with the test cases I can think of, I put “waiting for bug to appear in …” in my waiting for list.

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By: Kelly Forrister https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1776 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:06:14 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1776 Hi Massimo,

I’ve seen people in sales manage their accounts two ways: as Projects or only as Areas of Focus. The tricky things about managing them as Projects is that they don’t end–they have ongoing maintenance and management. Unless, you are expecting a particular closure or outcome on an opportunity. But managing them as a Project would certainly get them in front of you more often, especially if they have a cycle of completion.

Chip Joyce, a community contributor, has written several articles for GTD Times on managing accounts. This one in particular might be helpful for you: http://www.gtdtimes.com/2009/08/13/adapting-gtd-to-managing-sales-and-clients/

I’ll let Liz & the Products team know you liked the pen. I’m sure they’d love to hear that. They work hard over there in Products & Shipping!

Kelly

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By: Massimo https://gettingthingsdone.com/2009/12/what-is-or-isnt-a-project/#comment-1775 Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:53:03 +0000 http://www.gtdtimes.com/?p=2952#comment-1775 Great post !

I’ve also some doubts managing Projects. I’m in sales and I use GTD also to keep contacts with customers. All my GTD system is based on Things for Mac and iPhone + basic folders for paper items.

The problem is that I’ve opened a project for every customer/opportunity and I put inside the next action related to him (like “call for followup” or “send email with prices”) but also notes (like last meeting discussions or customer’s taste, ecc…) to have all in same place.

But in this way that projects never ends and in the same time during weekly review I find myself mixing the focus between these “special projects” and the real projects with steps from start to finish.

Some suggestion?

Thanks and Best Regards
Massimo

p.s. I’m from Italy, few weeks ago I received an order of some GTD stuff (many folders) plus and unexpected really beautiful pen! Thanks so much! Really appreciated.

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